Satisfaction with any purchase, not just water treatment, is based on the performance of the product and the dealer-manufacturer. I’ve never heard of reionator and the puronics it said that’s what nasa uses. We've also researched a LindySpringSystem for about the same. Everybody is an expert but everyone is right so who do you believe? How many of us have ever had any electrical product just stop working? The 3500 appears to have carbon included. There are basically three different media that can be used: a) manganese greensand: water runs through for treatment. I have no issues anymore. We also offer many discounts if you purchase a total system (softener, RO and filter) or trade in your old unit. Here is the single reason why Kinetico might NOT be worth the price and huge investment. If you have the unit shipped to you, they include a self-installation kit with manual. Kinetico … you can regenerate 100 times but with no brine you'll keep getting hard water. It has mixed layer of fine and standard size resin. Only the mechanics differ. Good softening resin should last 15 - 20 years. Why do people hate Culligan so much? If you're saying you HAVE Kinetico and are considering replacing it, I'd advise rebuild plus resin replacement instead of making a switch. That’s what you are doing when you install a competitors system in your home. In those instances there is little to no help at the corporate level for the customer as the manufacturer hides behind the each dealer is privately owned and we can't intercede in that dealer's sales area. "Previous posts also discuss price for a new unie, while Culligan can be a little more expensive, you are paying for quality. Also note that a good quality water softener is about $600 and that's all most people need. Hanging a new question on to a years old thread complicates searches. Good product but not necessarily better than industry standard hardware except in some unique circumstances. Living on a well is much different from living on a municipal water system and often requires complicated and expensive water treatment hardware along with routine maintenance by the homeowner or the dealer and that is just reality. At almost $4k, the Kinetico system seems greatly over priced. After reading this forum, I understand that I've overlooked the first step in my search for a water softener: a water analysis. If I were to look at price only, I would go with either the cheaper Ecowater system w/R/O at $2698 or the Culligan system. Greetings! Replace their water softeners, water conditioners, water filtration and water purification equipment with our high quality Water Filters of America™ custom made water treatment systems. HOWEVER, in this instance, I would avoid your particular Kinetico dealer as he quite simply does not know what he is talking about. All ion exchange softeners are based on the same physics and chemistry. Our water provider switched to a different well and the hardness has increased to about 18 grains. 2) Oxidation/Filtration: An oxidizer such as ozone, air, or chlorine may be used to react with the iron and force it to become particulate iron that can then be removed via filtration. Their Chlor-a-soft unit softens water AND removes chlorine from your city water. However, if you’re looking for durability and high quality, Culligan isa great option. And what they don't tell the customer... as long as their sales numbers meet our goals and their market share meets or exceeds our expectations. Culligan and others that require salt use the brine solution to clean the media bed. who showers at least 2x's per day). It's ok, the post is almost 10 years old now so the teenager is grown and probably graduated college by now. With respect CulliganGirl, that statement can be true of any proprietary softener manufacturer whether Culligan or Kinetico or Hague or ECOwater or... and it is rarely a little more expensive than an industry standard softener. You need to know: pH, TDS, hardness, ferric iron, ferrous iron, manganese, sulfates, H2S, nitrates. The body can only absorb organic minerals, such as those in plants. If you have a good local dealer Kinetico has built a large and loyal following but they are expensive and you'll be married to that local dealer. If your daughter/son is taking two showers per day, she/he is doing irreparable harm to their skin and they will have wrinkles 50 years before schedule. Kinetico softeners use the "setting" of the float assembly in the brine tank to determine the amount of water in there and that volume of water determines the salt dose for regeneration. GREAT IDEA. Add a couple gallons of water to the brine tank and wait a couple hours. This, in turn, softens the water, making it more suitable for bathing and drinking. Here are voice for Kinetic, because for some it works and voices against it, because it seems like another marriage to get into. Hello all,I have read through many of the previous responses to questions about water softeners. Try this, there should be enough salt in the brine tank to cover the water at the bottom. It think there is some mis-information about Ecowater systems. If you are going to DIY install anyway, look around on the internet. Sure, the twin tank system is better on paper but a 2 AM regen is perfectly fine with me if I can save over $1000. Any fixtures that use a large amount of water, such as a jetted tub or multi-head shower? There are numerous threads - do a search on the bottom of the plumbing page for iron and you will find them. The culligan and ecowater are also unavailable as DIY set ups. Kinetico signature series water softeners are the ultimate water conditioning solution. We dive into the specifics of the system, the price (and why that could be an issue), and pit Kinetico head to head against Culligan. However, most simply picked a company out of the phone book and went with one. I did this a few years ago with a couple of 16-year-old Kinetico units I own which is why I don't hesitate to recommend the service. 2) GAC (granular activated carbon) is abrasive and will damage your resin, reducing resin life. It is a two tank system (salt storage and resin tanks). I have a kinetico with the drinking water filter system and I love it. We have many customers that have had their units for over 20 years and are making their fist service call. Here you’ll find our Kinetico water softener reviews. Its not the amount of electricity these systems use but the problem associated with the electrical components of these systems. I'll get one done, if I can convince my husband. How do they differ and what advantages/disadvantages should I consider? c) pyrolox: an ore that oxidized then filters the iron out. My water filters need to be changed every 3 years. Wow, goodgarden. I have numerous houseplants which will be a concern if I don't put in the R/O, correct? My water district supplies water tested at 7 gpg. You would not believe how much Culligan, Water Depot, Ecowater and all other big name companies mark up their prices on their water softeners. Culligan gave me a price for their Gold series softener, Big Blue filter, and RO system - $4565 When I asked, the sales guy said it's a Culligan made controller. Carbon will not. No more problems with failure of electrical components. Noticed one thing. This does, in turn, add sodium to your drinking water. They will do everything. Is a lot of money. Also, Culligan offers something like a rental and my ROI factoring in the rental price for Culligan at 50 bucks and month was 10 years if I buy a Kinetico. This excellent thread would indicate that I want to bypass my outside faucets and contract with a reliable dealer for continuing service. Hope this helps some people save money and buy a quality unit that is actually better built and more efficient than the big companies that sell their units at ridiculous prices. It was plugged in and “working” when we replaced it. Read this Culligan water softener review to understand why there is so much HATE against this brand. Without knowing your water conditions and water usage there is no correct answer let alone is that softener priced right? These compact commercial softeners are designed to fit underneath a commercial dish table, with casters for easy cleaning and maintenance. Indem Sie weiterhin auf der Website surfen bzw. You'll also be marrying the local dealer for parts and service cause there are no third party alternatives and they will charge you for the privilege of owning their hardware. 33.36k. He may have a fine product, but he cannot be trusted to set it up correctly or to assist you if you have any problems down the road. Culligan – This manufacturing brand is currently considered as the best water filtration system in the industry today. In this case both local dealers have excellent reputations for service. Kinetico water softeners can be an excellent choice for those searching for safe, clean drinking water. If you live outside of their installation area they can sell and ship you the unit for a discount, but you will either have to install it yourself or arrange for a local plumber to install it for you. Kinetico water softeners are built to last and the steep price is commensurate with the premium performance and build quality. In terms of full disclosure let me start off by saying that I work at a Culligan dealership. It was not installed correctly, we have had to add numerous items at great cost to make it perform correctly. We also offer many discounts if you purchase a total system (softener, RO and filter) or trade in your old unit. Previous postings show the unit priced at $2449 installed. Hey Culligan Man, you failed! I DO NOT recommend this company for anyone especially if you have a well . I am a new member and this is my first posting. It has quit working properly and we are looking to buy another softener, we did consider the idea of having it reconditioned, but I feel with technology they have most certainly made strides to a better unit by now and feel that it is best to buy a new one. If the dealer doesn't give you satisfaction then contact the manufacturer and ultimately you may have to take the dealer to small claims court. After the regeneration is done add a couple gallons of water to the brine tank and wait a couple hours. When you were fiddling around in the brine tank it's possible that you disturbed the "setting" of the float. $6000. They also have had the same technology for over 30 years. I was quoted nearly $1900 for the Kinetico 2030s dual tank system. It does not need regeneration, but needs to be backwashed (to rinse out the iron) at a high rate, 25 - 30 gallons per square foot. It will cost 1/10 of what you're considering spending on an inferior unit and it will make it just like new again. But, pricy. An ECOwater softener won't do a better job. Their prices are very good and their warranties are amazing. Water treatment equipment in the Quad City area is typically installed in the utility rooms of homes and businesses. I don't see a 2500 on their website, but do see a 2502 that looks fine. Bottom line, they are all happy with their systems, so they don't worry about them. I recall they are sold through some Lowes in some marketing areas. Share. If I could buy an industry standard softener at a comparable price to the net locally from someone I can look in the eye who will stand behind what they sell I wouldn't be in a big hurry to order one online with no service to speak of. Echowater dealer offered softner/R/o combination for $2200. In short, the first question is whether that softener is adequate to treat your water. The Water Hardness Removal Market is an important resource that provides comprehensive information to evaluate all aspects of the market related to the market. Mehr erfahren. Our servicemen are happy to instruct customers on how to do so. And the vendors don't give you much to go on to compare specs. The timer function is based on an algorithm that tracks water usage and sets up regeneration schedules to match it. Call us now to solve your bad water problems. None of the vendors mentioned bypassing the exterior hose bibs until I asked. Just to keep things accurate... "... the treated salts going back into the ground". Some of these water softeners are equipped with two tanks which are both capable of softening your water, so even when one needs regeneration the other one is available. I started looking into culligan twin units where it is possible to set up time when regeneration happens. Our single and two tank water softening systems remove calcium, magnesium, sediment, and iron from the water. Please start a new thread - this is from 2007. Many of the previous posts all mention how great their Kinetico unit is. We have city water in Florida that now has chlorimine and chlorine which makes it even more of a challenge. Thanks to everyone for their imput. You didn't mention the repeated service calls that they will have using an EcoWater system. They have a promotion right now for a Chlor-A-Soft 32k grain water softener and 5-stage Reverse Osmosis for $1250 plus tax. I have read through these comments and although I feel it may be cheaper to go to my local Lowe's or Home Depot to purchase one, we have been well served by Culligan and will probably go back and buy from them! ?-- A very informative discussion The first being a statement made by the original poster. I have just been quoted $3650 for a kinetico with r/o system. You should have soft water now but remember, the water heater is filled with hard water and it will take time to use that up. We believe that our products are the best water softeners and best whole house water softener systems so much that we are willing to put links on our website to our direct competition! Comments found on Do It Yourself “Culligan vs. Kinetico” What people have said about Kinetico on AgTalk A short article of why Culligan is better than Kinetico thanks to culliganman.co (It wasn’t easy to find an article about why they are better than us!) You can get a MUCH better softener for the same price as the dreadful box store variety. Water Softener- Culligan vs. Kinetico vs. The exterior pipes were not bypassed so any exterior watering necessary has the treated salts going back into the ground. d) terminox; very similar to pyrolox, but uses a much more reasonable amount of water for backwash. Is there any info on removing iron and/or sulfur? ... Kinetico eliminates these real concerns and provides a boundless supply of clean, fresh water that makes teas taste crisp, juices come alive with flavor and a simple glass of water a refreshing delight. These rooms build up a lot of moisture. Water Softening Systems Market Research Report highlights elaborative market insights of the Water Softening Systems industry, which offers definitions and a diverse range of market structures and characteristics, historic and present market values along with the expected future growth of the Water Softening Systems market for the forecast period. URL is posted below (http://www.waterworkcompany.com). Tommy, start a new thread. Two marriages at the same time don't work. The installation kit comes with all the pex fittings and parts to easily do the installation yourself without the need to do any soldering with copper, or crimping with pex. Since you are on city water, you can get their quarterly reports. Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Pinterest Email. "Hard water is water that is full of minerals that are GOOD for you and drinking distilled water (reverse osmosis) denies your body of a major source of minerals your body needs. There are many reasons why carbon should not be mixed in with softening resin: 1) Carbon depletes faster than resin ages. If you decide you don't want the extra expense of an RO, and honestly they are rarely necessary for city water, you could also have a small bypass line installed to an extra faucet for drinking water and plant watering. I'm in South Carolina and I was approached by a Eco water salesman at Costco. 1. the minerals in hard water are NOT good for you; they are inorganic and our bodies cannot assimilate them, 2. distilled and R/O water are not the same, 3. it is absolutely NOT better for you to drink hard water, than R/O water, By the way, your miele dishwasher will work just fine on soft water, with a pure soap product designed for use on conditioned water (much less expensive than store brands). ??? It is good to hear about these prices on water softenersin this discussion. Yes, you absolutely have to bypass the exterior faucets if you use sodium choloride for regeneration and intend to water plants from those faucets. How many people in your home? The company was founded by Mr. Emmett Culligan in 1936 who happened to be one of the pioneering minds in the concept of water softening. This is my personal preferrence, but understand that the backwash rate is critical. 3) If the GAC mixes with the resin rather than staying in a layer on top (and it will mix - their specific gravity is pretty close), it is no longer protecting your resin from chlorine attack. Although more people have bought a Culligan water softener, Kinetico has a far better reputation. I live in Irvine, CA. Global Water Softening Systems Market. There is no salt added to water in the ion exchange softening process. I'd investigate them before crossing them off your list. Gary Slusser 22 yrs in water treatment and well pumps, 13 yrs helping people on the 'net. What other questions should I ask or things to be aware of here? Some don't like the taste of hard water/some don't like the tastelessness of RO water. Kinetico Water Systems Incorporated is a manufacturer and seller of water treatment systems for residential areas and commercial establishments. It is a single resin tank softener and does not provide soft water 24/7 as the Kinetico does and you will be tied to the ECOwater dealer for parts and service as you are tied to the Kinetico dealer now but you have experience with the Kinetico dealer and the ECOwater dealer is an unknown commodity. Seems reasonable, but these are pricey units i guess. 6 bags of salt lasts me 8-9 months. It works great. I seldom do exterior watering except for occasional deep root watering of a few trees. The power required is about as much as an alarm clock. There are three points in this paragraph which are categorically untrue. Rather than jump on to the end of a 10 year old post with an unrelated post, why not start a new thread. Once you've read a bit, come back and ask specific questions. You are tagging on to a 12 year old thread.It's good to start a new one. Previous posts also discuss price for a new unie, while Culligan can be a little more expensive, you are paying for quality. i can’t seem to find reviews on either puronics or reionator. Well WaterCity WaterCommunity Well Water, © Copyright - Quad Cities Soft Water is an, our products are the best water softeners and best whole house water softener systems, Discussion on Garden Web about “Water Softener: Kinetico vs. Ecowater vs Culligan and other?”, Comments found on Do It Yourself “Culligan vs. Kinetico”, What people have said about Kinetico on AgTalk, A short article of why Culligan is better than Kinetico thanks to culliganman.co, Midstates Water Technology (now QC SoftWater) on G+, Website Design & Online Marketing by Big Ten Web Design. I was in Costco and picked up the brochure on the ECR-3502. Culligan is slightly less costly but also is proprietary. There is no carbon in it. I suppose we all have our preferences, but I have owned a Culligan water softener for about 30 years, we have very hard well water, we have never had a service call, the outside water was bypassed without any pre-ordering and we have not had one bit of trouble from it until recently. Changing the filter is a piece of cake...UTUBE it. This could be because all Culligan water softeners must go offline while they regenerate, because Culligan produces down-flow rather than up-flow systems, or because Culligan systems have a shorter lifespan. Nobody mentions water softeners from Sears, as an example.Don't they do the job which they supposed to do? The system is for a house with 4 people and we do average around 75 gallon per person per day. In fact, Culligan tends to receive low ratings from customers. The media must be regenerated with potassium permanganate (care must be taken with dealing with potassium permanganate as it readily dies organic material, such as your skin, a purple-brown color). 1) Softener: A softener with specialty resin is capable of removing dissolved iron, up to 7 ppm (mg/L) but asking a softener to remove iron at those upper limits is really pushing it so I would not recommend this method. I live in Calgary where the water isn't all that soft. This looks like spam to me. Global Water Hardness Removal Market Growth 2019-2024 delivers knowledge about the current Water Hardness Removal market development, landscape, technologies, drivers, opportunities, market viewpoint, and status.The report takes into account the past year as the base year to analyze the market scope, size, estimation, growth, and forecast from 2019-2024. They won't be exactly what you have at your house, but are a good start. I asked the Kinetico installer to plumb the front faucet soft to advantage car washings... 25 years later I'm still happy with that decision. I am considering a Culligan Total Home and the Kinetico 2030 + Kinetico Chlorine filter system (don' know the model#). Just had a Q8500 XP OD water softener installed for $4895 and a K5 under-sink RO unit with VOC filter (the 'guard' model) installed for $1295. Not to mention their warranties are very limited and usually in the 1 to 5 year range. Kinetico water softener review. We moved into a house in '05 that had a Culligan softener from previous owner. This did NOT stop the iron/sulfur probs. I would recommend it to anyone. Kinetico vs Culligan vs DYI options. Who am I to believe? What is the general advise for this? Another insisted that potassium choloride would cause a sludge build-up. If you’re looking for a filtration system that is decently priced and offers standard features, Kinetico is the better option between the two. Complete water analysis is critical before making a decision about iron/sulfur removal from water. You've already bought into a high quality product so sit back and enjoy the benefits of your original investment. I live in Orange County, California and I am wondering if I am being overcharged for the unit. 2. So I can't agree more with lurker in that for people who don't want to maintain their own system, the most important question is "dealer, dealer, dealer". It depends on what you prefer, taste-wise. Kinetic energy… the flow and pressure of your water. This is not unique to water treatment... my local John Deere dealer is every bit the price gouging jerk that the local Culligan and Kinetico dealers are and all three provide poor service and charge through the nose for it while refusing to sell just the parts or technical information with the exception of the John Deere dealer who will sell you a service manual on CD for just under $100 and all the parts you want at suggested retail PLUS and adds shipping charges for items he should have in stock in the first place. Thursday, February 7, 2019 Edit. Good luck with your choice. It is better for you to drink hard water than RO water. Kinetico, Culligan, and the other national brand softeners are priced high... no doubt about it. We invite you to contact Culligan®, Ionics®, Rain Soft®, Hague®, Rayne®, Eco Water but we know that after doing your research you’ll be back to contact us an set-up an installation appointment. 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